because america, there's two things at play here when we're talking about gun violence in america. there's the violence and there's the guns, right? and america has, like i said before, it's a gun ownership rate. approaching one to one. that we have as many guns as citizens. in a certain point, 2014s are one is going to overtake another. >> can i stop you right there before we go with that myth, because that's a myth that we have 300 million people in the country and 300 million guns. they are not owned -- actually, the individual ownership has been declining in this country in all categories among men, women, rural. everybody is individual. so another question for us where are those multiple guns going? are they going more and more to smaller numbers of people? >> explain that again. i want to make sure i'm understanding this. hold on one second. we're going to take a break and then i want you to explain that because i think that's a really crucial point for people to understand. >> okay. >>> with gun violence, you're making a really important point about guns in this country. i w